I saw Joe smoking clays Last night from 16 yards. He shoots FAST and I'd estimate no more than a total of 30 to 35 yards. I have also seen him at mid handicap smoke them at about the same distance from th trap house.

Larry

Well for arguments sake let's call it 33 yards then.

The ring is 65 MOA, so the trailing edge is roughly 33 MOA from the center dot.

That means at 100 yards the trailing edge would be roughly 33 inches. Since the distance being shot is one third of that, divide 33 inches by 3 and you get 11 inches.

That means Joe is putting a lead of 11 inches on the clay, though what we don't know is what station and what angle the clay was thrown at. If Joe can answer that it would be interesting to confirm a lead for that circumstance.

I see where you were going now BIO. Interesting the way you ciphered that.

It was on station 4 and the angle was what I would call a quarter angle about half way between a straight away and a hard right.

Still waiting to see the video of this gun in action.

I'll see what kind of video my iPhone will capture the next time I see Joe in action - perhaps Saturday morning?

Larry

That would be great Larry. See you then.

wish you the best joe

Joe built a gun like his for me. I use it as a training tool. One the extra weight helps conditioning. And using the holosight is helping me to become a 2 eyed shooter.

Phil Berkowitz

Great ideas there Phil. And thanks for all the good will and help, fellas.

Here's a picture of Phil's gun. It's basically the same except the stock adapter is from a different mfr.

Actually Phil, I built it for myself and then decided to sell it. You ended up being the buyer.

Joe

By the way guys the gun smashes targets as good as my Infinity when I do my thing. However; the Infinity is LM & this gun is full.

Phil Berkowitz

Thanks to Scott Calhoun, here's a video of the Kuhner shooting the Kuhner.

First view from the side.

Another side view.

Joe, watching the last video, do you see your hips pushing toward the target / front ? Wonder if that causes your gun to move up a tad ?

Gene Batchelar Wheaton, IL

Yep, noticed that. Will have to correct. Good catch.

I wish the videos weren't so narrow. The originals are much nicer although they are played on their sides by the Windows Media Player. Quick Time plays them upright with some great resolution.

And now some of you are probably beginning to understand the popularity of the AR15. Joe's 870 now has the same basic geometry on it.

How about the "eyecam" in a future episode?--Mike

Mike - Holographs don't photograph well. You're going to have to try it to see what it's like. Tomorrow?

I saw you had that Harlan hip thrust going on. Is it me or did you lift you head in your elbow view? Thanks for the videos it puts a little prospective to your project.

Looked at it in QuickTime and I think not. I think it's recoil action to the head. Could be tighter on stock though. I need a shorter neck.

I watched the vids several times. The forward body move at the lower hip area was to make the elevation move! Much better that than an arm upward thrust and an inherently more accurate move! Good job Joe!!

Hap

Thanks Hap. I value your input.

Doesn't seem to kick you too bad. Looks good! 1 oz?

A little more than 1-1/16 of an ounce of #6 steel shot.

Joe, food for thought....

Magpul makes an MOE carbine stock. While in and of itself it doesn't offer much to replace the stock you have...

....it does have useful accessories like .25", .50" and .75" cheek risers, and a .75" buttpad (the commercial MOE stocks comes with a .55" buttpad).

This may allow some better fine tuning of your cheekweld, eye alignment, etc.

And if you REALLY want to get radical, replace the buffer tube with a standard rifle buffer tube, and install a Magpul PRS Precision Rifle Stock that is fully adjustable for length of pull and comb height. Drawback is it is much more expensive than the MOE stock.

Curious are you shooting one eyed or two eyes with the kuhner 2012?????

Joel

Two.