How did all the other state shoots run so smoothly this spring & all of a sudden Ohio is helpless to use the soft cards to classify.....Maybe Joe Mcpeek will be along to help explain that.

I am confused as to what people think is wrong with the ATA's computer system. I just checked my scores and they are all up to date through the end of May.

There's nothing wrong with it........nameisjoe/mitymite/nimitzmay1981 are all the same trouble making poster.....the sign on name "nimitzmay1981" was just created today! Give it a break Joe!

hunter44, Funny I didn't see you in the 2 hour classification line at Cardinal. Do you know for sure there are no problems? My scores from 3 weeks ago aren't entered yet. I assume you think that's acceptable?

At least Cardinal has enough shooters to generate a 2 hour line.

Just jealous?

So Setter, tell me how all the other states were able to get by with using the soft cards & Ohio is helpless without the ATA.......I guess you guys need the ATA after all don't you? If you had to wait two hours to classify maybe someone might have come up with the idea to open more lines. Sounds like you have problems that has nothing to do with the ATA.

I am on the classification comm. in Wi. I always look at the paper card. If they don't have one they don't shoot until they produce it. What happens when a shooter has shot 1k targets in the last week or two and they are not on the ATA file. You have to look at the card. Repete you are exactly right.

The best way to piss off a bunch of people is to make them wait 1-2 hour to classify. Especially when they came early just to classify. If the software was running right, it's Cardinal's fault.

If the software was the issue, you want the shooters to know. I never heard they ignored target requirements.

hunter44, you didn't answer the question....do you know for sure there were no software problems?

Quit answering questions with questions.

Setter, answer my question......if shooters have their paper card up to date as it should be what do you need software for? It's always going to be behind for people who shoot a lot.......sounds like a problem looking for an excuse.

If shooters have to wait two hours to classify it's the problem of the organization of the shoot not any ATA software problem. Card not up to date, you can't shoot! What's not on your card that needs to be taken off the computer?

What if someone doesn't write down those last thousand targets, or puts in the wrong score? Those paper cards are a joke! If there is some question of shooting records, what are you going to go by, the ATA's computer or what's written on that card? The ATA is supposed to be a record keeper, then why in the hell do I have to keep track on a little piece of paper in my wallet! That's a joke! If you keep someone from shooting because they don't have their paper card is another joke! I have often thought of coming to the Wisc. state shoot but that statement just changed my mind. I have shot many different states, and grands and I can tell you that I have never carried the paper card, nor have ever been asked for it..........EVER! That's been since '89. Your really interested in your shooters with an attitude like that! Like I said, I'll just cross Wisc. off my list if that's indicative of what I would encounter!

hunter44, you're the one that mouthed off about the computer system."nothing wrong with it". Well....true or false?

Talking out of your butt again.

Tell me that it wouldn't drag down the classification process if the computer was down. Most places won't even look at your paper card. When you hand it to them, they hand it back without looking at it, and swipe the plastic card. Michigan and Florida for example.

If I were you, I would try to get out a bit more. There are other shoots outside Missouri and Illinois.

Setter, it is not me with the problem of standing in line for 2 hours.....you should have been running your mouth then to correct your local problem.

When you register at a shoot your computer averages will nearly always be behind unless you don't shoot very much.....I've never registered & not either been asked if I have registered targets since the last date on the computer or have used my paper card. I have only registered a little over 4000 targets this year & my computer average has always been behind because it always takes a couple of weeks to get everyone posted.

I do shoot several state shoots & I have NEVER waited more than 15-20 minutes to register. Sounds like you have a problem "back home", maybe you should get out more.

Just what do you think is "wrong" with the computer software?

Answer the question. Is the software functioning correctly?

It usually takes no more than 1/2 hour to classify at Cardinal till today. And yes the place was packed.... a day early. But then, thats a good thing...right?

Yes, I was told this weekend that everything was behind a few days because of the increased volumn of this spring's shoots & because of the training of new personnel. That's a good thing....right?

If you weren't so defensive you would have seen that my only purpose in posting on this thread was to expose Joe & his BS.

What do you think is "wrong" with the software?

when did waving target requirements become a computer problem they did this to promote shooter intrest and not pentilize people who do not shoot alot or the new shooter.

Isn't it interesting that the very same computer system, run by the same person, who, by the way, is tournament director, worked just fine at the PA State shoot just a week ago. There's a classification issue at Cardinal caused by not enough classification windows and cramped quarters. Blaming it on the ATA is not gonna fix those problems. Perhaps there's room up on the bovine excrement pole so I can sit up there with Guy.

I'll be at Thurmont for the duration, with the aforementioned Mr. Babin.....mike

Setterman, the classification software is not the ATA's problem, it is shoot managements. As has been posted, PA made out fine, other states made out fine, don't blame ATA for it. The rules require us to keep the softcards updated. I'm sure the shoot management software works fine, and the classifier can look at the card and input the classification. That is all that is required.

Again, ATA is not supplying any "software" to anyone.

Is it the states right to waive the target requirements,or is it the ATAs say??? Just wondering.

D.P.Reynolds

Shoot management sets penalty target requirements.

The only thing the Rule Book says about them (penalty requirements) is that they must specify the number of targets and they must be listed in the shoot program.

Logndog. You obviously don't know how the system works. Your card is the most recent targets. Some times there is a three week gap from what the ATA says and what is on your card. At this time of the year that could easily be a thousand or more targets. Punches, reductions and average changes, either up or down. Most shoots are not plugged directly into the ata but get a data base in a file. The person that does our computer work told us on Sat that there are alot of mistakes with the info from the ATA right now with men in ladies catigory and adults in jr and so on. I don't know if that is what the problem is in Ohio but if it is they need to look at the paper card. And that should not take that much more time. You said what if one puts the wrong score down or not at all. Don't you think that happens at the ATA. There are changes being made ALL the time at the ATA. Clubs send them in wrong, entered wrong and so on. It is very important that everyone has their average card as the rules say and filled out with the current and complete information.

Just shoot AA averages in Singles and notify the classifier. I haven't filled out average cards in years!!

I have been shooting since 2002 Ohio,Indiana,Kentucky,Illinois,Mich.Fla.And Missouri.About 2000 to 2500 Hdc. Targets a year.Never once been asked to see my papper card.

I'm surprised that many states do a lousy job of classifying.

I also just found out that the category on the cards may not be correct either. The cards were sent out before the bs category changes were made. As for not looking at cards. If you came to our shoot and I was classifing I would not classify you without a card unless you told me you were AAA-27-AAA. Then I wouildn't ask to see it. If you had lied about your yardage we would find out and you would be DQ ed.

I found nothing in the Rules that say a State must have min. target requirements. So I would think that if a State wanted to have no min. they could. For what ever reason. It may bring in more shooters that didn't have the min. but it also may create other issues.

870. You said a mouth full.

So now i need to know.Who and where are they asking to see papper cards? Donm Are there that many cheaters where you shoot

With 198's and 199's winning classes C through A at the PA State shoot what does classifying mean anyway? Anyone wanna guess what'll take to win those classes in Ohio this week? If you're breaking nothing but 91's through 94's in Class B either stay on the porch or go out and shoot to have fun!!

FRO:

Personally, I give the classifier my my soft card every time. That's what the rules say and how its gone at every shoot I've attended.

If they ignore your soft card, in reality there probably isn't much of a problem unless you've shot a lot, and well, in the last 4-6 weeks prior to classifying; but it is still not a good practice. It's just a short-cut for convenience. It's not good for you, or the club. What if you had a punch recently, you don't bother with a soft card, and they just use the database that doesn't show the punch? You shoot where they put you, and you get DQ'd. Gotta own your own classification.

Fro. Just the opposite. By checking both the card and the ATA we know we have the most accurate and up to date information posible. If that is a problem then you must be trying to cheat. I have never had anyone say anything about showing me their card. In fact I would bet that about 99% of the shooters I classify just automaticly hand it to me with their plastic card. Tell me why you think it is a problem. I too have shot Il, IN, Mi. and have been asked for my average card each time. You must be a well known 3A-27-3A shooter. I'm only a sometime 3A-27-2A or 3A shooter. But I am stil wondering why you are afraid to show your average card that the ATA rules say that you must keep updated, averages figured and show to the classification committee member. What is it you are hiding?

Oh and by the way. I have around 200,000 combined targets and I started shooting in 1975.

Michigan, Fro.

"With 198's and 199's winning classes C through A at the PA State shoot what does classifying mean anyway? Anyone wanna guess what'll take to win those classes in Ohio this week? If you're breaking nothing but 91's through 94's in Class B either stay on the porch or go out and shoot to have fun!!"

It took a 196 to win Coulee City 'B' class last weekend, and it was windy! Lots of tough shooters out there in all the classes. Also, at every shoot I have been to this year in E Wa, I was asked for my paper card. Guess every place is a little different.

Often lost in the shuffle is a Class shooter is always capable of shooting the high score under best conditions. Just not consistently nor in off conditions. the AAA/AA shooter has a much narrower range of scores.

discounting the true sandbagger of course....

I am a new shooter and busted butt to get my target requirements for the state shoot 2100 singles 1500 handicap and 600 doubles since february. that translates to over $500 in just targets and ammo not to mention gas and travel time. Would have been nice to just shoot a couple hundred target and go. Also since I am new I did not get a 2 yrd reduction like experienced shooters so just with that I feel like I am spotting the field. Still I will be there at cardinal with my 91.10% (B-class) sinlges average hoping to have a good day shooting. For the love of the game. BTW I always offer my updated score card. os

ummm, hate for a michigan guy to break the news to you..

TARGET REQUIREMENTS: Shot during period between September 1, 2010 & June 19, 2012. 16-yard ~ 1000 registered: Penalty B (min. one class move up with a min. class B) Handicap ~ 1000 registered: Penalty - 2 yard min. penalty Doubles ~ 500 registered: Penalty B (Min. one class move up with a min. class B)

JFYI, you could have shot minimal targets at shot A class...

Jim C