Since we're now quoting Jesus, the Great Man also said....

"Woe be unto anyone who causes another to stumble."

and....

"Shun even the appearance of evil".

Mike

"Sorry, but your original story about the families leaving because of vulgar behavior still doesn't hold water, except for the part about there being other reasons that numbers are decreasing. I think my declaration of shenanigans is justified."

Its nice to live in a country where there is Freedom of Speech.

And you have a right to yours, luvs2shoot.

Your still wrong.

And YES I know how to get people working again, GET government out of the way and outlaw "greenies"!

"What did you do to deal with the problem if you see it as one?"

I SPEAK my mind!!

AND YOU SEE WHERE IT GETS ME! JUST LOOK HERE!

Oh YA, I have a GREAT life and enjoy every minute of it!

Hmmm....in one corner we have TRASHY in the other, we have CLASSY.....

Would you want YOUR DAUGHTER to be TRASHY...or, CLASSY.........

Taking one's clothes off to titillate the prurient "community" is NOT classy.

TRASHY or CLASSY? What would you want your daughter to BE?

Maybe, some of you guys don't mind your wives or daughters to make TRASHY displays...(prize envy)...but, I would.

Trashy displays are not a virtue. Just because one has the CAPACITY to make an immature choice, it is still an IMMATURE/STUPID choice.

Rebel Sympathy, Timberfella, Bangalore you three fella's must be a barrel of laughs to be around at the Gun club,.......I don't think.

Lighten up it's for charity, if it is so bad and hard for you to comprehend then totally disregard this thread (in other words move on), oh yes and I still applaud Russel and Lauryn, no mater what you 3 think.

Release Trigger........ Gary Kennerson..96 05145

Well, Gary.....if you respect and honor her as if she were YOUR daughter/wife, I am sure you would want her to be CLASSY....after all, she represents a great country and all that involves.....

Gary, come close, listen carefully: Lauryn is held at a HIGHER MORAL STANDARD by virtue of her team membership. The expectation is for her to be dignified and classy.

To attempt to legitimize TRASHY behavior because "it is for charity" is more troubling. Gary...Gary...Gary.....what you are condoning is anathema to modern civilization: The Ends Justify the Means.....

People are supposed to develop MATURE JUDGMENT and should be able to tell the difference between appropriate and inappropriate.....

Aim high.

timber, I wasn't talking about speaking your mind here. Did you say anything to the offenders of the families at the events? Did you do anything their or just speak your mind on this forum?

Thats what I was interested to know. I don't think I am wrong either. Most of the people I know don't shoot when they are sick, busy with other things or trying to save some cash. It is rarely if ever because someone or something offended them. Of course there are always thin skinned people out there.

Best of luck to you saving trapshooting's image.

What a beautiful lady. All the money generated fro this layout to a children's hospital. All you nay-sayers should go out and take a deep breath of fresh air. There is nothing risque or obscene about her appearence; just go to any beach here in the U.S. in the summer and you will see women more scantilly clothed. I think that all these baseless rants about "family values" and abhorent behavior are all a smokescreen for the fact that this country hasn't got one female shooter who can come close to looking that good. If we did, attendence at shoots would skyrocket.

Mooney-Glenn Wedding

I see puritanical, self- righteousness is alive and well in our country. lol

Newby: UNKNOWN has posted Grntitan's significant other if it be known.

Same sarcasm as he is posting, I lost my integrity there for a second, forgive me posters.

Newby hope you liked my PM I sent you.

Gary Bryant Dr.longshot

"Did you say anything to the offenders of the families at the events?"

"Best of luck to you saving trapshooting's image."

We've gotten of track a little, I asked about why they weren't coming around and I posted that information.

So you DO realize there is a "image" problem, Thanks for your support, BUT I can't do it alone, it takes a group effort.

Its also not about being "thin skinned" its about using a little moral judgement around others and having some form of respect.

Boys will be boys, as the ole saying goes.

Instead of sitting at a computer discussing the negatives of showing a little skin for charity the naysayers should tell us how much money they personally raised for an equally worthy cause.

I sincerely doubt any semi-nude photos of themselves would raise a nickle!!

A little something for the holier than thou crew....

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" Matthew 7:3

".......He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." John 8:7 (Wow! Talk about appropriate!)

BTW, shes a fine looking young lady and more power to her.

Ed

Dr.Longsh**,

I can take the razzing and not cry like you love to do. You will note however I have never dragged your family into it. It's ok though as your significant other stopped by to share a photo.

Well look, hello there Mrs.Longshot............

timber, I guess the families you speak of and/or you must attend the Sodom and Gomorrah of trapshooting events. Pray tell where these are so that I not show up and be led astray. In the alternative, please provide directions to each such shoot, if you think I am a perv for not being upset with the Lauryn Mark photos, as my skin is thick enough to handle it and my mind can handle and appreciate a good physique with out appealing to my prurient interests.

Nevertheless, I still wish you good luck on your efforts. However, I still have the belief that if the shoot management or other shooters did not speak up, then I can only assume that there is no issue except for the thin skin of some people.

It's funny how some didn't bother to read that she is a "skeet" shooter who has nothing whatever to do with trapshooting or it's image. Let's face it, skeet shooting has no image to hurt anyway so who cares. The gal has every right to flash her plastic boobs all she wants. My problem is with her plastic surgeon, who should lose his license to practice medicine if that's his normal work.

Morals and morality are meant to be personal and not communal. We each have a standard that we live up to for ourselves. To try and push your morality on another, is for you to decide what is right for everyone else, and that in and of itself is the basis for wrongness and contrary to the basic premise of this country, personal freedom. This is how fundamentalist zealots think. This is how people who fly airplanes into buildings think. Just because your God has a popular name in your circles, doesn't make your morality right.

People kill other people and fight wars over the stupidity of morality and other fundamentalist views. Don't think you're not on the same slope as groups like Al Qaeda, they're just a little further down it.

We are a republic. We are ruled by law. As long as a person is law abiding, that qualifies them for the same good citizenship award, nude or not, as those who believe their morality places them in higher stead.

Regards,

Chip Porter

I think this thread has run its race. Thanks for all the input

Why do you think that?

"I think this thread has run its race. Thanks for all the input"

By TS.COM standards, it's just Get'n started......

Joe Potosky hit it on the head, most U.S. citizen have not travel over sea to any foreign country's or even left there back yard, even the advertising would offend most that posted to this thread, there's a big gap whats excepted just about every where else, but in the U.S.

Yes, illusion.

Compared to $h-t I guess mud seems pretty clean.... By all means, let's pull the U.S. down to the rest of the world. Isn't that what made USA the greatest in the first place? Shouldn't we follow Europe? Of course we should. HAW-HAW! Right.

HINT: Whenever anyone tells you the U.S. should be more like Europe, RUN!!!!!

At the beginning of this thread I was asked to comment about how I felt about this. I did. Since I didn't agree with the masses, I was "bashed". Gee, I thought I was asked how I felt? Someone mislead and left me swinging in the breeze. Guess I should have fibbed about how I felt or kept quiet. Hmmmm! Sounds a lot like the way the liberal faction in the U.S. today does business.

The other "199" responses were interesting. You could just about divide them into three, almost equal, groups, to wit:

Group A thought ANYTHING was acceptable "as long as it is for a good cause". Oh, yeah. I'm for that all the time...... I mean, really; who isn't???

Group B evaluated the poor girl's body - and graded it like it was a beef carcass. Now, if that isn't high-class respectful treatment of the girl, then what is?. Eh?

Group C spent some computer-time telling the rest of us what they'd like to do to another man's wife. And then, someone had the nerve to tell me her husband, or father, might be offended by MY remarks!?! HAW! That is a good one.... I was really worried by that. HAW-HAW!

The amateur quality photos of the girl in her underwear, legs clinched to the pole, on the sofa, and whatever else she was on, were pathetic and of poor quality - and probably lent encouragement to the crude, rude remarks about her. Whoever posted those photos should take much of the blame for all the degrading remarks made about the girl who is, aparently, a very good shooter. She may be a nice girl, albeit misguided.... However, exposing her future photo plans and showing her photos on this forum was most disrespectful. much more better if they had been left off this forum. They served no purpose whatsoever, except to target her for entertainment for the crowd.

Mike

Rebel since I posted those comments I will respond.

I dont know Lauryn or Russell Mark or her father and in no way posted those photos to degrade any of them.

ALL of those photos are available off the net so blame someone else for the quality of them.

I posted this topic for discussion. Personally I find her attractive, particularly as a shooter, as most women that shoot down here are not that attractive to be honest. Whether her using sexy photos in a magazine will help promote the sport is really what I was asking. Nothing more, nothing less.

This thread got way off line.

Yeah. Well, either way - you started it. You may not like it, but you have to "wear it". Shame too. Poor judgement on your part to put it on here in the first place.

Mike

Thread "got way off line"- what does that mean?

Mike, I believe he started this same thread (in the same way) on the shooting thread in Australia and Shotgunworld as well. This ladys husband posts on the website in Australia as well. A good number of the shooters over there got way off track as well. I learned a few new down under slang terms as well. Not that I have much use for them over there. Newby is stiring the pot real good on 3 different websites at the same time. I think it must be "Winter Time" down under right now as it seems thats where he resides. break em all Jeff

Shame? hahahaha

Chip Porter

I'm not speaking for Mike but thanks for the heads up Jeff. That makes a whole lot of sense now. It takes quite the fisherman to work three setups at the same time.

Mike you are wrong. I post on the Aussie site and I saw it on shotgun world and copied it from there. I did not start either of the two previous threads but I did post my comments on the Australian site. I certainly are not a fisherman but was interested how this would be perceived in the States. I am an avid Trap shooter here in Sydney.

I find our two cultures similar, but find the personal comments about the girl over the top.

more pictures , more pictures !!!! of her that is