Chango,

I will say this, when you decide to get the Hornets riled up, you don't pussy-foot around. I believe I could actually hear the buzzing through my computer speakers. LOL

"Yup, I guess I did get them critters a bit riled." Maybe DeVault industries will send me a gratuity for the extra publicity? And no, I am not on their payroll.

And here I am looking for some type of spacer for my Seitz. Plenty of options and opinions.

Thanks David...LOL

Rick in MT

Once again! many of you are to close to the fire and can't feel the heat and just assume making unfounded judgements in the process.

There are many shooters, good ones I might add who aren't mechanically inclined relying on others to tune and maintain their guns. These people may not have time, desire or the mechanical skill to seek out a solution to raising and lowering their comb; they are quite happy to pay someone for a quick and easy solution and for them twenty dollars may be more than a reasonable price to pay.

In 2007 Perazzi retailed their metal comb spacers (tube stock cut to different lengths) for $52.00. I'm quite certain this price has increased over the last five years. Many shooters are willing to pay this price because the spacers are perazzi OEM items and offer an off the shelf solution. Am I willing to pay this amount for for I would term a convenience item, no.

It Always comes down to business is business, is business and until you own one and understand, costs, inventory turns, ROI's, margins, overhead, you have no basis to make a price judgement other than you're not willing to pay the asking price end of story...............

Surfer

Everyone hold up on the posts for a couple minutes.

Gotta get more popcorn...

Paul

David ... RUNNNNNNNNNN !!!!!

They are coming to get you!

Maybe change is right,,,,,there is ABSOLUTELY no way a shotgun could cost $15,000 to make,,,,,Kreighoff should sell their overpriced K-80's for,,,,oh, let's say $4,000,,,,,I think this is a good price and that's what they should sell for.....can't believe they get away with the gouging they do.....

Dennis...send me five packages of your washers with a invoice. I'll send a check monday. I'm going to give them to the kids on the Southwest trap team here in Lincoln, Ne. I love the colored washers and so do the youth shooters....Dennis I'll call monday for the total with shipping. Thanks Ed Grubbs

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Chango2:

If you know the heights you want, I'd be happy to run a couple of cylinders of aluminum off on the lathe.

Tell me the heights, and ID of your posts, and I'll drop a couple in the mail at no charge.

Whiz

The color coded washers are a bargain & keep in mind double dip ice cream cones aren't a dime anymore, but here's what I'll do. I'll send anyone of you 25 free tank to bowl washers for your toilet/gun. PM with you addy.

DeVault: $1.57 per color coded washer

LadyOwnedArms: $1.46 per color coded washer with 2 thickness kits

Whiz White: $0.00 per aluminum washer made to order

Doug Brown: $0.00 per standard toilet washer

Your local hardware store...

Lots of options...

Chango - next time you might consider posting a thread looking for what you want. I might suggest: "Looking for cheap comb washers" The resources here are phenomenal. Then when you get the price at your local hardware store, now that you know where to go, you can report back to the group.

I think the color coded ones are nice for keeping track of what you have in the gun. Might save you a few handicap targets some day, if you change when you move back. There's a price to be paid for everything.

Something never change maxtrap is flaunting his money and hustling trap moms and brown is cheap. Thanks Stan ps maxtrap get me a box of those washers. and Dennis don't let maxtrap tell you I am weird.

This site has 1/32 inch nylon washer for a penny a piece, 100 in a box for 1.39, if you can get cheaper than that they must be free. All it takes is a little research before bashing someone on here. I went on google and the first website I found was that link. With shipping of about 10 dollars, they still come out to only 13 cents per washer. Still way cheaper than the 1.50 washers listed above. Ok I'm done venting now, just take 2 minutes to look before degrading someone like that.

Hey, hold on, I didn't degrade anybody. I said that the company angers me due to the high price and I said, rather tongue in cheek, that maybe the high price for the product was due to one expensive employee who does meticulous and demanding finish work on stocks. I also said that the company references "G-d" in some of its public communications which seems odd when the company appears, and I emphasize appears, to be very friendly and helpful and "folksy" in its communications, yet appears to charge very high prices for at least two items listed at its website. I had just had enough, or as the group, "The Who" said, "we won't get fooled again"...

By the way, I asked the owner of the company why the washers are so expensive. I also asked to be taken off the mailing list. I received a confirmation of my being taken off the mailing list, but never a comment about the cost of washers. Of course I have no "right" to a comment about that company's pricing schedule, (none of my business), but an explanation would have done wonders for credibility and clarity in my mind. My concerns, if one cares to read critically, were NOT made as statements of fact, but as statements of questioning; questioning that was not answered by the company selling the product as far as I know. There are salient differences between that which is declarative and that which is interrogative.

However, I will admit that my anger over what I perceived and continue to perceive as a highly overpriced product did precipitate my posting to take an ascerbic turn which, unfortunately for me, allowed a rather mundane question to become a type of muse for what might be too much drama and anger.

I apologize to all who had difficulty reading my original post with an eye towards the literal vs. merely obtaining a perceived viewpoint on the part of the author, i.e., self. With the viewpoint of years, many, including self, begin to affirm the importance of having or not having taken close attention during English 101 and during English 102. I apologize for not having tried to reach my personal potential during those formative years and important rites of educational passage.

So I merely stated what I observed in the price scheduling and my OPINION about what I saw advertised. I asked the question about "greed", but didn't say there was "greed". My word of "fleecing" was asked as a question, a statement of my opinion, not a statement that "fleecing" is factual, but (that) my question of "fleecing" existed.

Of course, I was in error to write: "I find this to be mildly hypocritical. And yes, I will admit to have a fondness for stirring the pot when I see greed wraped behind a smiley presentation, particularly when His name is sometimes alluded to."

Should have read: "...when I think I see greed..."

Hey everybody, "this Bud, coffee, Postum, Chang, Chandy, or bottled water is for you."

Regards to all and continue having a great weekend,

David Buchman

Los Angeles

David,

Your statement "I see greed wraped behind a smiley presentation", among others, is degrading. You might consider not doing that to DeVault Industries and it's people. We like them. Their specialized equipment is expensive. If you don't see the value of it, regardless of level, then move on, but don't degrade them publicly.

David, my friend, you did poke the hornets nest. Actually, Dennis also makes the washers in different center sizes for three models of guns. The color is very handy to install. I have a set and was happy to find that I didn't have to make them. Now, if this bothers you, I want to be around when you pay $9.00 a round at Triple B's. At least you can re-use the washers. Fred

Washer mania, heaven help us. HMB

Joe (Kuhn), you are absolutely right and I had made an error. No wonder I was deservedly flamed, although my original sentence was declarative, I meant to say "...when I think I see greed...". I have made that correction in a prior post. I was very wrong to have done that and, fortunately, caught that error.

David,

Ok. That clarifies your point, but I think you are not seeing greed, but rather, the high price of specialized equipment. Here's what I mean:

The washers are color coded so that people can adjust their poi when they move from 16 yard targets back to handicapped targets. They find a different poi works better for them at different yardages. They can note the difference in colors and be sure they have their gun set correctly between rounds.

Don't you see my point?

Joe

Joe,

Agreed...if one's style is to raise the comb as the yardage increases. I don't see many people doing that, particularly the very successful old timers who are anti gun-adjusting as a viable method.

Now I did read that (the legendary) Arnold Riegger, back in the day, knew how to adjust his comb and knew how much he was doing so: He placed pieces of torn cardboard under a leather stock cover. He knew how much cardboad to add; the cardboard was taken from used shotshell boxes. I don't think the shotshell boxes were color coded, but maybe somebody was working on that! Also, remember that Arnold Riegger shot one gun: A hardly beautiful looking Model 12; he shot singles and long yardage and doubles with that gun! So he knew exactly how to adjust his gun using cardboard! I was also told that Riegger was not a particularly fast shooter, but that he pointed targets and didn't fire until he saw the sight picture he wanted. He had outstanding trigger control..trigger control allegedly great even if he didn't feel his best on some mornings.

Some of the best shooters I have spoken to feel that Arnold Riegger could make those adjustmens with success, but it's not for the majority.

A very appreciated, and now out of print book, years ago, "Finding the Extra Target" by Lynn and Blumenthal, suggests that a 34" barrel, i.e., long sighting plane, is best because the sight picture will then not change from 16 to 27 yards. Whether this is true or not, I don't know, but those two authors coached trap at the college level.

I guess a different thread is needed, but I will hesitate to start one 'cause I find enough ways to "get in trouble" including around the house!

I can relate to the poi change because I was told recently that I was shooting under the targets when missing and low on the clay when breaking. My gun has a holographic sight so I just moved the pattern up half a turn and found a big difference in the breaks. I'm getting smoke now and all is well, until I moved back to shoot some yardage. Then my breaks became spindly again.

Do you go up or down at the comb for yardage? Or it could be stated in terms of pattern movement. Should the pattern be higher or lower for yardage? I forget.