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bluedsteel 26-Jul-10 - 10:02 PM ET
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Gary Waalkes 26-Jul-10 - 10:34 PM ET
chiefjon 26-Jul-10 - 10:52 PM ET
MIA 26-Jul-10 - 11:06 PM ET
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Tom Strunk 27-Jul-10 - 09:07 AM ET
semperfi909 27-Jul-10 - 09:52 AM ET
AveragEd 27-Jul-10 - 11:03 AM ET
shot410ga 27-Jul-10 - 11:32 AM ET
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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10
From: bluedsteel
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Date: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 - 10:02 PM ET
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I have always been curious as to why there seem to be relatively few Beretta DT-10's used by American Trap shooters when compared to similarly priced guns, like Perazzi's and Kolars.

In my limited bunker trap experience, DT-10's are popular, and seem to be well liked by their owners. But step on an American Trap field, and DT-10's are relatively uncommon. I do see Berettas, like 682's, 687's, etc., but again, very few Beretta DT-10's.

Like most of the Perazzis and Kolars in their price range, the DT-10's have adjustable combs and ribs, excellent triggers, and they seem to be sturdy, etc.

Any thoughts or information?

bluedsteel

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: WoodsonEnt
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Date: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 - 10:04 PM ET
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Leo shoots his pretty well

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: Barry C. Roach
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Date: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 - 10:14 PM ET
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Perazzi, Kreighoff and Kolar.

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: BigM-Perazzi
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I think because many consider it a step down for Beretta from the older ASE 90?

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: Gary Waalkes
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the first DT-10s had quality issues. A guy in MD had one of the first ones and it was a real beauty. unfortunately, the rib came off (posts failed).

Past that, I don't know that Beretta could ever differenciate the DT-10 from the 682. I think it is very difficult to market a high end model without running down your own less expensive gun (682) which you are trying to sell as a "just as good as" gun. Even the current ad features a kid you never heard of saying something stupid "with the DT10, you sight the target, you break the target". The ad goes on to talk about the gun being well made and reliable with no supporting data (how many guns, how many tournaments, and how many rounds). Marketing Failure

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: chiefjon
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You haven't seen mine in the champions circle, because I am old and can't shoot that good...damn it. It ain't the guns fault.

JON

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: MIA
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I saw quite a few at Iowa state shot. In fact I saw tons of Beretta guns. Perazzi was first. My old teammate from Janesville WI broke 98 from the 27 with his Kolar. Me? I bought a new gun.

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: JONNY D
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i dont know why there are only a few in the US but the reason there are only a few in AUSTRALIA is because there all back at beretta getting there triggers fixed!!! lifes just to short to own a beretta!

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: Tom Strunk
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A message for Gary Waalkes --

You say a "kid you never heard of" advertising for Beretta. Gary, Gary - you must not be a student of the shotgunning game. This kid as you call him, happens to be the world record Olympic skeet shooter and the current 2008 Olympic gold metal skeet champion. Google the name Vince Hancock for more of his bio.

Tom Strunk

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: semperfi909
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Date: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 - 09:52 AM ET
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Kid - final 200 targets straight for the Gold at the Olympics. Only been shooting since he was three or sumthin'. Yeah, them kids, wottle they do next???

Charlie

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: AveragEd
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I think the DT-10 didn't catch on as it should have because it's a Beretta - and that's being posted by the owner of two Beretta trap combos, so I'm not hinting at poor quality. Berettas have always been "affordable better guns" like Brownings and the like. To many people, a DT-10 just costs too much "for a Beretta." If Chevrolet or Ford produced a much nicer edition of the Impala or Taurus that cost $50,000, how many would they sell? I think most people shopping in that price range would be in a Cadillac or Lincoln showroom.

Poor marketing and pricing perception can be blamed.

Ed

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: shot410ga
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Date: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 - 11:32 AM ET
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Ed's right. They stepped out of their comfort zone.

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: oleolliedawg
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Lousy price point. Never mind, they're coming out with a totally new gun next year. Just hope it doesn't look like their last disaster-the UBG-25!!

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: recurvyarcher
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Date: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 - 11:42 AM ET
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I dunno, but I like mine, and Martin is getting along with his, too.

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: jktphd
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They seem to be in the middle range. Priced higher than a CG and lower than the high end guns. I am guessing that most buyers who wanted to save money would go with the CG, and most to whom money was no object would go with P or K. I did own a DT 10 and I did not think it was of equal quality to the higher end guns I have owned. And by the way, guys like Leo can beat us with an off the rack 1100 from Kmart. It isn't the gun, it's the shooter. Just my observations.

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: slotracer577
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As other have said, I think it is price point. I recently got a 682 for $2500 and the best prices I have seen on the DT-10's is in the 5k range. Is it worth twice the money for a nicer Beretta? Not to me. If I am going to spend big $$ I will either get a Perazzi or a Kolar.

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: Git-ER-Done
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Date: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 - 03:01 PM ET
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You pay good money for the DT10 and get a piece of garbage for the forearm and buttstock. In order to get a half way decent piece of wood on a Beretta you have to pay at least $1000 above the initial cost. That turns alot of people off, that and the trigger breakage.

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: Old One Eye
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Poor marketing is only one reason the gun is not sleek and pretty like the other top guns. If you go to the SO series Berettas you enter a new arena now they are right up there with the upper end guns and very competitive up to 150,000.00 guns. The 680 series Berettas are very good guns for the money and stand up to the hi volume of trap skeet and sporting IMHO

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: twopipe
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Date: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 - 05:06 PM ET
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which model of Beretta has the triggers breaking ?

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: recurvyarcher
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I'm sorry, but I couldn't find a Perazzi combo in the same price range that we found the DT-10 trap combo, so I can't understand what y'all are saying. Also, my wood is a LOT nicer than what I had on my Perazzi. Not saying that I don't like Perazzi, but from what I could find, the Perazzi combos were unaffordable for me.

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: goatskin
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Date: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 - 06:26 PM ET
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Beretta, not unlike a lot of companies, finds ways to compete with themselves, and the DT-10 is one of those 'twixt animals, as has been mentioned above a few times.

It 'replaced' the ASE and ASE-Gold ... :( but is not perceived (by anybody) to be their equal. Plus, as noted, they are priced wrong to be attractive.

I don't pay much attention to lumber, but a lot of the early adoptees liked neither the timber nor the trigger nor the fit & finish.

The only one I shot was a sporting model, and I thought it was more lifeless and a lump-of-mud than a 3200. I also don't like the Greener boxlock lash-up. It serves no real purpose and ads more parts and complexity.

I'm not much of a fan of drop-triggers, neither, but people like them (good marketing, Danielle!), and that seems to be the DT-10's ONLY 'advantage' over the 682.

They are good guns, absolutely, but I see no great reason they SHOULD be more popular.

Bob

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: WPT
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Date: Wed, Jul 28, 2010 - 08:47 AM ET
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I was in the market for a DT-10 and got a lot of good to great feedback from many people, I sincerely appreciate each and everyones opinion about the good and bad details of the DT-10 ... I have found that the DT-10 is basically over priced when compared to many other guns, they do not hold their value when it comes to resale, and I have been warned by many about the guns breaking down on a continual basis ... I have also been told by just as many others that they have and shoot a DT-10 and feel that its a great value but they agree that they do not retain any resale value like many other guns on the market today ... I have mixed feelings about the DT-10 after reading the many resposes that I got from so many people ... I compiled a laundry list of plus's and minus's based on the responses, based on that I feel the only way I would consider a DT-10 is if I could steal it by buying it well below the estimated value and just live with it, be it good or bad ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: WNCRob
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Trap guns take a beating and need to be durable. Why buy a DT-10 when there are other excellent options that offer excellent durability and much better warranties and factory service? Price is certainly a factor, but long after you forget what you paid for something, if it has persistent problems, it is a very poor tool. And when you attempt to get rid of it, you pay again.

WNCRob

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: SevenMaryThree
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It's because Trap shooters have poor taste. Sporting and Skeet shooters have them beat hands down. Also, they dress funny.

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: recurvyarcher
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Date: Thu, Jul 29, 2010 - 03:57 PM ET
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Love those shoes. Ima getta pair for Martin...

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Subject: Why so few Beretta DT-10's in American Trap?
From: Top Single DT10
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7 Mary Motor officer,

You beat me to it!

Radio 956

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